I'm so excited to welcome Natalie Ruion back to the studio for today's episode. If you remember my last conversation with him, you may remember how it left me deeply and inspired, and this time is no different. Natalie joins me to discuss her new book The house that Jesus commanded: To lead our churches back to God's original scripturesand I am very happy to study with him again.
Natalie's latest work picks up from her previous book Proposed to Stay Ishiya, with this new book on faith reconstruction, focuses on rebuilding the church that is true to its biblical roots. Natalie shares that a faith-breaking journey does not have to mean abandonment but can lead to an authentic and healthy church environment.
Join us as we explore what makes a truly healthy church, with Natalie stressing that it's not about quantity or plans but the real presence of the Holy Spirit. We discuss the practical signs of a thriving church community, including how to deal with real conflicts and the importance of having real leaders.
We also touch on the idea of finding service opportunities right in our everyday lives and how small acts of kindness can matter. Natalie challenges us to rethink what it means to serve and engage with our church community, encouraging us to be a source of support and encouragement rather than just looking for it.
I hope you'll tune in for this insightful conversation that promises to thrill and inspire. You might just find yourself inspired to look at your church community in a new light, so don't miss out! Make sure you read He was brought up to live If you haven't already made a previous order The house that Jesus rebuilt!
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In this episode
[0:35] – I welcome Natalie Rugion back to the show![1:57] – He was brought up to live Dealing with the fallacy of faith, which emphasizes rebuilding rather than discarding.
[4:00] – The church, Natalie argues, is a community of broken people whose faith is made of it; Focusing on Biblical Purposes can manage expectations and encourage communication.
[6:13] – A healthy church focuses on repentance, prayer and outreach, and the presence of the Holy Spirit as the true measure of life.
[8:20] – True church leadership requires pastors to call, protect and guide, avoiding celebrity culture.
[11:02] – Large churches can flourish when many pastors, teaching the pastor who leads them, actively care for the congregation.
[13:23] – Natalie points out that dealing with abuse in the church requires understanding, although it may be necessary to leave if it is not safe to speak.
[15:31] – Job opportunities are often found in everyday activities, such as helping neighbors, and not in good categories.
[17:13] – True service focuses on seeking the presence of the Holy Spirit, or in ordinary settings, rather than following platforms.
[19:15] – Service often means stepping outside of our comfort zones, such as being humble or prioritizing church attendance despite obstacles.
[21:37] – Natalie feels that the focus of focusing on what we find in the church in the church where we can help how we can go to church.
[24:06] – Just being there and showing kindness to the church can be as important as active participation.
[28:17] – Hear how Natalie's father supported her and put her spiritual needs first, influencing his approach to raising spiritually curious and faithful children.
[31:03] – Natalie discusses the challenges of parenting and explains her strategy for engaging her 11-year-old in church through worship.
[33:01] – Natalie is raising her daughters to be followers of Christ and not just churchgoers.
Links and Resources
Crystal Paine
The Crystal Paine Show – 215. Hope and Healing from Painful Church & Disappointment
Natalie Rugion
Books
Raised to stay: Persisting in ministry when you have a million reasons to leave by Natalie Ruion
The house that Jesus commanded: To lead our churches back to God's original scriptures by Natalie Ruion
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